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Feb 19, 2013
To comply with ISO rules UN/CEFACT experts should register with the ISO TC 154 Chair as members under the agreement between UNECE and ISO.
Draft Minutes - ISO/TC154 ODIF Project Team conference call - 02 August 2012, 14:00 UTC
Participants: Klaus-Dieter Naujok (K-DN), Francois Vuilleumier (FV), Kenji Itoh (KI), Kevin Smith (KS), Mary Kay Blantz (MKB), Mei-Li Chen (M-LC), Sean Lockhead (SL), Sue Probert (SP), Sylvia Webb (SW)
Excused: Anders Grangard (AG), Chris Nelson (CN), James Whittle (JW), Ken Holman (KH)
Not Present: Tim McGrath (TMG), Andrew Schoka (AS), Bernd Boesler (BB), Chris Hassler (CH), Hisanao Sugamata (HS), Ian Watt (IW), Juan Carlos Cruellas (CC), Michael Dill (MD), Peter Potgieser (PP), Wenfeng SUN (WS)
Approval of Agenda - approval
Review and adoption of Draft Minutes from 26 July call - approval
Outline new schedule for moving forward with the DTR
K-DN outline the agreed schedule, the current status and way for moving forward:
Previously-approved milestones were:
07 May-20 July => Drafting TR
23 July-22 September => Two (2) months DTR ballot
24 September-07 October => Two (2) week comments review before plenary
08-11 October => Address and resolve any outstanding comments during TC 154 meeting
12 October => At plenary, either a) approve the TR for publication (pass to ISO for publication) or b) if still outstanding comments/issues, agree to a forward path.
We missed the 23rd July deadline, but agreed to use the two weeks (24September-07 October) allocated for ballot comment review, to extend the final draft deadline and ballot start to today. This would require all comments to be addressed during the F2F meeting in Concord.
Current status: we have missed the deadline to allow a ballot to be started with the result available for review, and final editing during the F2F meeting of TC 154 in October, so that we could present the final document for approval by the TC 154 plenary for publication.
Moving forward: Let's concentrate on making he best use of the next two months before our F2F ODIF team meeting. Therefore, instead of continuing with weekly ODIF project team calls, we suspend these call to allow the editing team to do their work. The new schedule will be:
16 August => The editing team next call.
This will allow time to take the latest version's text and transfer it to the Notebook to allow the editing team to use the collaboration features moving forward. It takes little to move the final agreed to text from the Notebook pages into the ISO template. In addition all outstanding comments and issues will be listed via blog entries allowing team members to start a dialogue.
16 August - 20 September => The editing team can decide the frequency of their WebEx calls as required.
20 September => Editing team presents the final draft to the ODIF.
The editors will introduce the final draft, outline the 2 week internal commenting period, and answer general questions for clarification.
Note: This call is during the UN/CEFACT Forum and since a number of ODIF project team members are in Vienna, this would allow them to organize a session to join the call via WebEx.
27 September => ODIF Team call to address and comments received.
05 October => Comment cut-off date
08 October => Scheduled ODIF F2F (and WebEx) meeting to address all outstanding comments to finalize the draft. If needed a final F2F (and WebEx) meeting can be scheduled for 10th October, Wednesday afternoon.
12 October => Present the final draft to the TC 154 plenary for their approval to send out for ballot.
The following members agreed to participate in the Edit Team:
K-DN, TMG, MKB, SP, IW, CH, FV, HS, KS, SW, KI
Other members wishing to participate are asked to notify K-DN not later then 8th August.
K-DN: Contact TMG to find out status of draft documents, TR and spreadsheet.
Full ODIF: Thursday, 20 September 2012, starting at 14:00 UTC (during the UN/CEFACT Forum)
Edit Team: Thursday, 16 August 2012, starting at 14:00 UTC.
UN/CEFACT has been made aware that ISO TC154 are currently balloting a draft Technical Report known as ISO/DTR 18262 "Processes, data elements and documents in commerce, industry and administration — Open data interchange framework".
Overall, we are pleased with the analysis and documentation of the current scenario. However, we believe the current recommendations need further discussion in order to be shared and agreed with UN/CEFACT through bilateral consultation and review.
The following are some of the UN/CEFACT concerns:
According to the UN/CEFACT view, the document appears not to have completely realized its scope, in that:
"... the identification of technical specifications and standards that are being maintained, developed or given consideration in work programmes and strategies that respond to stakeholder requirements for the open interchange of structured data in support of administration, commerce and trade;
Note:This may include work from Standards Development Organizations (SDO) other than ISO and United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE)."
We wish to draw attention to the Note. The current draft somehow appears to recommend that ISO TC 154 is the only external standardization group that can address UN/CEFACT's requirements for methodological and technical standards, whereas the scope of the MOU on eBusiness brings other Standards Development Organisations and consortia into the picture.
b. Identification of Issues.
We consider that many of the issues raised here are not part of a discussion about the relationships and dependencies of relevant specifications and standards. Many are issues of governance and management rather than responsibilities.
The concepts of the Open Data Interchange Framework appears to be not fully explained and there is, in our opinion, a need for further explanation of its relationship to the final recommendations.
In conclusion, we believe that it is in our common interest to initially agree on a document making recommendations to the major sponsor organization before making decisons on its publication. We therefore hope that further consultation will take place in order to achieve a common understanding of all issues related to the ODIF. This consultation and consequent agreement may certainly be facilitated by the fact that several UNCEFACT experts participated in the project.
Thank you very much for your attention.
Draft Minutes - ISO/TC154 ODIF Project Team conference call - 26 July 2012, 14:00 UTC
Participants: Klaus-Dieter Naujok (K-DN), Tim McGrath (TMG), Chris Hassler (CH), Chris Nelson (CN), Francois Vuilleumier (FV), Hisanao Sugamata (HS), Kenji Itoh (KI), Kevin Smith (KS), Mei-Li Chen (M-LC), Sean Lockhead (SL), Sue Probert (SP), Sylvia Webb (SW)
Excused: Anders Grangard (AG), Andrew Schoka (AS), Ian Watt (IW), Ken Holman (KH), Mary Kay Blantz (MKB),
Not present: Bernd Boesler (BB), James Whittle (JW), Juan Carlos Cruellas (CC), Michael Dill (MD), Peter Potgieser (PP), Wenfeng SUN (WS)
Approval of Agenda - approved
Review and adoption of Draft Minutes from 19 July call - approved
Review of 1st Draft TR
Completed review of section 6, Identified issues, taking into account comments received from HS
Due to late time of night for some of our members it was agreed to schedule an editing team meeting tomorrow (Friday 27 July, same stating time - 14:00 UTC) to review the rest of the document, starting with section 7, Analysis. The WebEx information is available via this link.
Next Meeting: Thursday, 02 August 2012, starting at 14:00 UTC.
Draft Minutes - ISO/TC154 ODIF Project Team conference call - 25 October 2012, 14:00 UTC
Participants: Klaus-Dieter Naujok (K-DN), Chris Hassler (CH), Chris Nelson (CN), Hisanao Sugamata (HS), Francois Vuilleumier (FV), Kenji Itoh (KI), Kevin Smith (KS), Mary Kay Blantz (MKB), Mei-Li Chen (M-LC), Sue Probert (SP), Sylvia Webb (SW)
Excused: Anders Grangard (AG), Ian Watt (IW), James Whittle (JW), Jasmine Jang (JJ), Tim McGrath (TMG)
Not Present: Andrew Schoka (AS), Bernd Boesler (BB), Ian Watt (IW), Juan Carlos Cruellas (CC), Ken Holman (KH), Michael Dill (MD), Peter Potgieser (PP), Sean Lockhead (SL), Wenfeng SUN (WS)
Approval of Agenda - approval
Summary Report from the F2F Meetings in Concord
K-DN: The ODIF team met all day Monday, Tuesday late afternoon and on Wednesday afternoon. There was unanimous agreement, other than from TMG. Since ISO rules allow only facilitation by the conveyors, there is unanimous agreement by all participating experts on the Draft Report. K-DN has spoken with the Chair of UN/CEFACT, Stuart Feder, and he will discuss this with TMG.
Finalization of Section 9.5 (Benefits and Risks)
This section was developed based on a brainstorming session during the F2F meetings by the team. This call resulted in:
Completion of sections 9.5.1 (Benefits) and 9.5.2 (Risks).
Adding additional text to the end of section 9.2 to provide General Recommendations for both organizations.
Next Meeting: To be determined.
Draft Minutes - ISO/TC154 ODIF Project Team conference call - 31 May 2012, 14:00 UTC
Participants: Klaus-Dieter Naujok (K-DN), Andrew Schoka (AS), Chris Hassler (CH), Chris Nelson (CN), Kenji Itoh (KI), Mary Kay Blantz (MKB), Sue Probert (SP), Michael Dill (MD), Hisanao Sugamata (HS), Ian Watt (IW), James Whittle (JW), Anders Grangard (AG)
Excused: Bernd Boesler (BB), Francois Vuilleumier (FV), Ken Holman (KH), Tim McGrath (TMG), Kevin Smith (KS)
Approval of Agenda - Approved
Team Member Introduction - Each participant introduced themselves and described their interest in this project.
Review of Project Proposal
Scope of Work - K-DN reviewed the project proposal and described the background of the project. The project is under ISO/TC 154, but results are jointly published with UN/CEFACT. ISO/TC 154 and UN/CEFACT will be reviewing the report and recommendations under their own process.
Ballot Results - Project was approved. Comments submitted by Canada and the Netherlands. The comments will be discussed at the appropriate time as work progresses.
Other - This project was presented to the MoU/MG; announced on ISO/TC 154's and UN/CEFACT's public web sites and notifications were send to all internal and external liaisons to TC 154.
Introduction to ISO/TC154's Collaboration Website
Usage - K-DN demonstrated the features of the website.
Use of Markdown
Progression of the Technical Report
Notebook Layout - K-DN outline the usage of the collaboration web site and described the table of contents and the information added to date. The final item section will be 'Recommendations'; these will be sent to ISO/TC 154 and UN/CEFACT for review, approval, and publication.
Start work on the Current Work Programs section by identifying the relevant technical specifications and standards that are being maintained, developed or given consideration in work programs and strategies. The following participants voluntered to help with this work:
UN/CEFACT: TM, HS
ISO/TC 154: K-DN, SP
Relevant Work Items within Liaison Organizations: JW, AG
Frequency of Conference Calls: The question was raised about the time table, which is very aggressive. The team agreed to review the bi-weekly call schedule on its next call to determine if there is a need to switch to weekly calls.
All: Send email to K-DN with name and email address of anyone who should be invited to join the group.
Next Meeting: 14 June 2012, starting at 14:00 UTC.